Well…call me confused! (And answer my question)

[Rabidreject]

Alright so I am officially confused…..

I bought a little p2np from a guy on Etsy. Looked great, nice crystals, smelled like p2np and when I reduced it, it went well (ish).
I think I did a 10g reduction and ended up with 5g of salted material. Looked nice, white crystals, however, iv tested it a few to,es now - up to a max of 100mg, I thought I was getting some effects - increase sweating, decreased appetite, some jaw clenching, however, the only other drugs I have synthesised that I KNOW worked, are psychedelic’s.
Now, in my opinion, it is much harder to KNOW if amphetamine is affecting you, than with psychedelic’s - which can literally rip your world apart.

So iv tried this a hand full of times now, so after my last try of it I decided to do a urine test….nada.

Iv repeated this a few times now and I’m not even sure if I am getting true effects of a drug or if it is just placebo and now win the further evidence that I had no amphetamine in my pee I am EXTREMELY confused.

I obviously won’t take any more of this substance but I’m still left thinking, what the hell happened?
As I say, I didn’t do the Henry reaction on the aldehyde, i simply bought a small amount of the p2np but you gotta admit, that smell is pretty hard to mistake.
What else could have happened here? What could i possibly have ended up with that is a fine white powder that was an oil in freebase form, yet doesn’t show up on multiple different branded drug screens?

Any idea what the heck could have happened here? I have performed the exact same reaction on a few different nitroalkene’s now and the effects of mescaline were unmistakable. I just reduced some MDA also and so will probably test that soon as well (even thought I don’t really like the methylene-dioxy compounds). Simply just to see if it’s active in the ways I expected.

It’s all V strange…

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

You bought either not p2np, or it did not right reduce. Did it taste bitter? Buy from trusted suppliers, or even better, it is better to make all nitropropenes yourself.

 

[Rabidreject]

Yeah the weird thing is, it smelled exactly like p2np - that sort of benzaldehydey smell is a giveaway.
Yes I agree making it yourself makes more sense. Trouble is, I really do not care about amphetamine enough to bother trying!
All the other reductions of things i have bought or made worked fantastically.

Yeah it’s kind of bitter, not as bitter as mescaline though, tastes kind of salty compared to mescaline or MDA. I should probably do a re-x anyway, even if I’m not going to be using it.

I suppose I could run TLC on it and compare results.

 

[William D.]

You need to heat the reaction mixture for extra time if you have obtained a salty taste.

 

[Rabidreject]

Oh you mean at the end of the reaction? After all the additions and that? Yeh that could be it, I’d have to look at my notes to be able to remember how long I did that for. Usually I do 30mins at 60 and then 30 mins at 80 but I do remember this was the first time I was able to complete the reaction successfully- I kept getting confused by the workup until I watched a video of someone doing it and realised I was REALLY overcomplicating things.

So what makes you say that about the salty taste needing longer on the heat? What is it that I’m tasting? The intermediate that’s produced? Just interested in what you think happened.

Since I did this, Iv performed the reaction many many times with great success so I found it odd. Mind u I don’t really use amphetamine at all so I find it harder to tell it’s definitely not placebo than something like a psychedelic

 

[FENTAMAS]

That's simple. Don't believe in fairy tales.
You got impure NS (beta-Nitrostyrene) from the seller on Etsy, not expected P2NP (Phenyl-2-nitropropene), so your final product is almost inactive PEA (Phenylethylamine) and not amphetamine.
Pure NS is odorless, though in the form of fine powder somehow irritating. As it's done by the same Henry reaction between benzaldehyde and nitroMethane (instead of nitroethane as for P2NP), you thought it's legit just because of BA smell, lol.
Try to recrystallize your NS from IPA and check the m.p. of the pure crystal. I'm sure you will got closer to 58C than 64C as for P2NP.

 

[handle]

You are confused! You have 4 questions.

• what the hell happened?
• What else could have happened here?
• Any idea what the heck could have happened here?
• What could i possibly have ended up with that is a fine white powder that was an oil in freebase form, yet doesn’t show up on multiple different branded drug screens?

 

[Rabidreject]

Yup I am confused indeed but I don’t predict myself untangling this mess and I don’t even like amphetamine.
IF I were to ever want amphetamine again, I would just perform the Henry reaction myself like I have for everything else iv run this reaction on!

 

[Rabidreject]

Also I sort of doubt it was NS, as everytime iv seen nitrostyrene it is like a dark yellow colour (closer to that of 3,4,5-TMONS) as opposed to P2NP which is like a pale ‘lemon’ yellow colour.
I could be wrong. If I cared, I would either make the p2np from scratch or at least test mp.
I was just curious if anyone had encountered this but have realised no one is probably going to know what happened without first making sure the ‘p2np’ I have is actually p2np. Iv moved onto other projects now

 

[FENTAMAS]

Colour?) Substituted NSs are quite different in appearance.
I'll show how looks my pure self-made NS:

Crude powder under IPA just waiting for recrystallization:

Crystals formed:

Filtered, washed and dried product:

Closer view:

Macro view of another batch (slow cooling):

 

[Rabidreject]

Ohhhhh yes you are most probably correct! How interesting…
Yeh mine is light coloured like that and also looks exactly like the ‘closer view’ photo.
I will do a mp test at some point but no idea when. That should settle it!
Thanks for that!
The thing I still wonder though, is, isn’t phenethylamine an active stimulant in its own right? Maybe the dose I was taking was too low or something iv no idea about the dose of phenethylamine. I’ll look it up

 

[Rabidreject]

Okay yeah having looked it up, you are likely correct.
thanks a lot for that, I really did wonder what the hell was going on.
It is a little annoying though. I bought the ‘p2np’ because I’d ran out of nitroethane, however iv LOADS of nitromethane! Wasted money. Oh well

 

[FENTAMAS]

PEA (2-Phenylethylamine) is active to some extent in large dose 300mg+, but very short lived due to weak metabolic stability.