CBD conversion to THC with Ultrasonic bath

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Reagents:
  • Cannabidiol isolate 50g;
  • p-Toluenesulfonic acid (pTSA) 1.5g;
  • Dichloromethane 150mL;
  • Sodium bicarbonate ~50g;
  • Sodium chloride ~100g;
  • Sodium sulfate ~10g;
  • Dist. H2O 1L;

Equipment:
  • Ultrasonic bath (40 kHz with heating);
  • Beakers;
  • Separatory funnel 2L;
  • Rotovap (with vacuum pump and cooling);
  • Dishes;

Synthesis:

1. Heat the ultrasound bath to 38*C. If your ultrasound bath is without a heating function, you can do this on a hot plate separately.
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2. Pour 150mL dichloromethane into a beaker and put in the bath for heating within 5 min.
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3. Add 50g of CBD isolate and 1.5g of pTSA and mix until dissolved (or almost complete dissolution).
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4. Put the solution in the US-bath and turn on the treatment with ultrasound of 40kHz for 5 minutes. You can see how the boil begins and when the boiling intensity becomes less, then the reaction is finished.
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5. Remove the beaker from the US-bath and add 500mL of a concentrated sodium bicarbonate solution. Mix, separate the lower layer through the separatory funnel and repeat the procedure a second time. You can use shaking in a separatory funnel, but do not forget to release gases from the funnel.

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6. Add the saturated solution of sodium chloride, mix and separate through the separatory funnel. Repeat the procedure a second time. Do not forget about the evaporation of dichlormethane if you shake in the funnel.
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7. Add sodium sulfate, mix the mixture in a beaker and leave for 15 min.
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8. Separate the solution from sodium sulfate sediment and pour the solution into the evaporation flask. Recommend decanting the solution, because filtering can be difficult due to the density of the solution.
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9. We turn on the vacuum pump and distill at room temperature or heating the rotovap-bath until dichloromethane is completely evaporated. With a high vacuum, do not use the temperature of more than 40-60*C.
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10. Remove the resulting oil on a glass dish.
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Yield: ~30g. But if you pay more attention to separation (extraction) may be more yield.
The purity is close to the maximum, the ratio of isomers is approximately 40:60 for d9:d8 respectively.

Write any of your questions, we will be happy to answer.

We will continue ultrasonic syntheses in other products and scale.

Expect a video of this synthesis.
 
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Thank you very much for your skillful work, it would be great to add a video
 

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Beautiful idea
 

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Super awesome, thank you

" Recommend decanting the solution, because filtering can be difficult due to the density of the solution."......wish someone would have told me this when I started working on my own and tried to filter some ethanol THC solution...clogged the buchner, made a mess, pissed me off...
 

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Am I correct in thinking the lower the temp I run this at, the more d9 I shall get and less d8 and the same vice versa?
 

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Yes, I heard about it. But this needs to be checked. Perhaps will need more time for conversion.
 

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Yes I’m sure it would need more time, I was probably just going to follow it with TLC the first time I did it, if I mess with temps.

I saw this video from one of the pro Cbd to THC labs in America on YouTube and he did it at around -10 for about 48h in order to make d9 distillate to sell. Doubt I’ll be able to keep it that low for that long as I don’t have a chiller but RT or even an ice bath would be fine and likely to produce for d9 than 8.
 

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Yes, this needs to be checked. The idea of lower temperatures is precisely in selectivity for d9. For ultrasonic synthesis, room temperature or colder water may be required for greater selectivity. We can take water and ice for the experiment.
 

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This gives d8 not d9.
 

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You are talking about synthesis without ultrasound. In which we get almost pure d8. Here we get a mixture.
 
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You will never get a mixture by using ptsa, it simply does not happen. The most you will get is 4% d9 if you are lucky.
To get d9 you need hcl or alcl3 under inert atmosphere and zero moisture.
 

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Why are professional labs posting video’s on YouTube where they do exactly this but at lower temperatures then?
 

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You can also so this at room temperature and it will still convert.
No professional lab will ever show you how to make D9, labs that know how to do it keep it a secret and its not an easy synthesis.
 

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I literally just watched the video…they do cover the p-tsa label but then I just watched another video (this time a d8 one) and he mentioned it multiple times.
The thing is he uses the same tub which looks exactly the same, in the d9 video as in the videos where he does d8 at elevated temps. ‘BDX labs’ I believe…
 

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He can label it whatever he wants, COA tells the real story and i bet he does show that. Again, you will NEVER get any d9 by using ptsa.
 

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Can I ask what the role of the US bath is? I don’t have one and so decided to try it at RT for longer.
Is it just me or does the oil coming out at the end look really light in colour? It could just be colour correction on the photos…

can I ask how you tested your product to establish the 60:40 d8:d9 ratio?
thanks
 

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We proceeded from the previously obtained data by HPLC.
As for a longer synthesis, there will definitely be more impurities.
 

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I mean, if I have no luck, I’ll obviously just make some d8 for now at higher temps
 
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