Methamphetamine Wyoming Lets analyze this video of the most clandestine shake and bake I've seen work.

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

I saw this video today, for the 100th time. This is the Wyoming state crime lab or something demonstrating a lithium ammonium nitrate shake and bake. It's the most cut-throat, clandestine method I've ever seen, and at the end, with the blue , he is testing his RM with soodium nitroprusside to prove he's been successful at synthesizing meth. I think this is the bare minumum a person can get away with, and that's a good thing to know. So watch the video and vote on your impressions. After we have a concensus, maybe I'll find someone to try it out and it can be our little breaking bad shake and bake.

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1. In the beginning he haas pills he ground in a coffee grinder that he is putting in the 2 liter bottle. Pseudoephedrine comes in standard 2400mg boxes, either 20-120mg taablets, or 40-60mg red heads. How many boxes of Pseudoephedrine do you recking that is?

2. Next goes the Ammonium nitrate, of which he puts 3 level scoops in the bottle. Is that a 1/4c. measuring cup or a 1/2c.?

3. next goes the engine starting fluid, no denying he uses 2 cans, but what a crazy way to open them right?!

4. Then we have the lithium strip from a AA battery he tears apart. He takes it out of the mineral spirits and tears some off and puts it back and tears the remainder into small pieces and puts it in the bottle. Do you think that was 1/2(0.5) of a strip, 5/8 (0.625) of a strip, 3/4 (0.750) of a strip or more than one strip and part of a second one?

5. He adds sodium hydroxide from a beaker. How much do you think that was? What size beaker? How full? I'm looking for the volume in ml.

6. FINALLY he adds 2 capfulls of water that kick the reaction off. How much water do you think 2 capfuls is?

7. every 20 minutes he adds more sodium hydroxide. It looks to be the same beaker and the same volume all of the 3 times I saw him add it. 3 additions would run for an hour according to the dialog. Do you think they showed all of the additions and this reaction should take 60 minutes or do you think it was editied and took longer?

The reason this video intrigues me so is that the chemist is so hap-hazard with his measurements and carefree it seems. He certainly makes it look like someothing anyone could do, and it is, the toughest part is finding a proven route and recipe. Clearly he isn't concerned about the pressure in the bottle, he leaves it loose much of the time, so I guess everything I ever read about the pressure reqirements was just fake news. This video dispells several "facts people including myself have regurgitated for years. A lot of people have clearly been working too hard, extracting pills and feeling pressurized bottles and the like.
I have my answers and I'll post them at some point, but I don't want to influence anyone elses estimates. An arbitrary process that I make up from my own bias will drive the final chemical constituants, but feel free to draw your own conclusions from the opinions and tell us what happens! It would be great if you answered for yourselves before tyou looked at my answers, as I don't want my thoughts to sway your opinions, do what though shall

1. That looks like 1 box of pills to me, it's not a lot
2. I have this measuring cup set. I bought the whole set for the 1/8th cup to cook crack in, it works great. I think thats the 1/2c. but I'll hunt them down later, they are in the basement.
3. doesn't really have a question, but watch slim struggle to punch a hole in those cans
4. I thought it looked like 5/8 of the strip more than hald but less than 3/4. Its hard to guess with any authority.
5. I compared my beakers and thats seems to match my 50ml, and it looks like he has 40ml of NaOH in it
6. I had a pop cap here and 2 full as they can be caps was very close to 15 ml, resonably full, without spilling I'll say 14 ml
7. I think he is using 40ml amounts, but NaOH weighs 39.9g/mole and 2.19g/cc (cc=ml) so that would be 80 mg per addition. I'm going to figure the math on the ammonium nitrate in a minute calculate the moles in 1.5 cups and see what the excess is or isn't)

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

He uses the Fester approach to cooking I have adopted with things of inconsequence myself.
"A dash of this and a blob of that"
I have spent the better part of a year playing with this experiment. I prided myself on pulling it off on my second attempt. I realize now I was only lucky, because since then I have found about a dozen ways how something similar does not work. I have not tried to replicate EXACTLY what I did on the successful attempt. I always tweaked something to see how it would come out. Either didn't extract the pills. Used a different product. A different amount. This or that. I have had many success and failures since but I have learned alot along the way.

I have been saying for a while, that if I had the pills, I would work out a 1oz-1pot cook, dial it in as scientifically exact as possible, and post it, pictures, videos, one on one chats, whatever they need. I just need people to collect and donate pills and help on that end. I can cover everything else. Someone just help me get the pills.

I have found that there is no right or wrong way to do this. There are only things you should or shouldn't do to give you a better chance at success, but it is easy to do this, but easy to fuck it up also. There are so many ins and out to all the various products and adaptations. Apparently pressure isn't necessary but it takes much longer. I haven't been able to do it without a heat source. I'm not gonna bother trying to estimate what the heck this guy is doing. I can tell you that it is WAAY too much ether. Definitely too much lithium and water. Most likely too much NaOH and AN. Much more time than is needed to actually do this. The actual cook should be about 30 mins give or take depending. With certain portions of reagents, it is not necessary to vent, or keep adding NaOH every 20 minutes to 'keep it rolling'. All that lithium burning is not good at all, that shouldn't be going on. The lithium isn't bronzing - it should be turning a copper color as it dissolves. It is oxidizing which means, we are not making ammonia, and our pseudo isn't getting reduced. There is no need to shake it and do all that what he is doing if it is rolling and it is not bronzed - it can only hurt at that point. If it goes dead is not bronzing then you need to add more shit and shake it up maybe. Alot of this isn't wrong, but isn't necessary either. And so it won't fuck it up. Yes it might be positive for meth. But I will bet not much, and he wouldn't be able to get anything back from such a small amount reduced with all that solvent.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

At one point they show a close up of the bottle that DOES show lithium bronze. When you aren precipitating the final product I don't think it matters howe much solvent you have in there, maybe that is how he is getting away with not extracting the pills, dissolving the gak in excess DE/heptane. I always heard about 5 boxes of pills for a 2 liter bottle but this isn't lacking for reaction kinetics. #3/4 of a strip of lithium is an excess of about 5x, but he uised 15ml of water. You can see that lithium blaze inside the bottle a few times, assumably it touched some water. Yea, it seems like people just don't want to show ID and have their name put on a list just to turn around and hand you the box of pills. I meant to calculate the moles on the ammonium nitrate and sodium hydroxide. That will give me some insight there, as far asexcesses and how much sodium hydroxide it really takes. ZObviously if this guy had put 120 cm3 of sodium hydroxide in at the beginning (3x40ml is what I guessed he was adding) it would have exceeded rthe vessel I think that is precisdely the time most people realized they fucked up because I know these people are doing it in the bathtub, which offers some fire insulation ad fiberglass dooesnt burn very good and neither does drywall, but people are still burning their house down, so they must be underestimating the run away reaction by about 5 times. On the other hand if you put the lid on dog tight and it exceeded 150 psi or so, it would be a fire bomb that would blow that shit all over the room. Hey soldado, since your the only person interested in talking about it, here's a neat thing I learned the other day.
Calcium ammonium nitrate? Yea, it's calcium choloride and ammonium nitrate and you can just put it in cold water and the calcium chloride doesn't dissolve and the ammonium nitrate does. The you just have to dry the ammonium nitrate solution below 180c to recover it, or go above 180c and produce nitrous oxide

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Ah, yes. I must have looked away for that exact moment they showed the bronzing.
No, the amount of solvent doesn't make much of a difference, only in the difficulty for the person handling it. For actually collecting the product at the end. I would want to reduce the volume and get it as cold as possible before gassing. Otherwise a titration is probably a better route.
You obviously want to leave volume in the container for ammonia gas to evolve and condense. Ether dissolves or oxidizes the lithium, in a way that I believe is favorable but that the cook is unable to determine the stage to where the experiment has progressed. Unlike the bronzing with ammonia, you can tell when it is bronzed and dissolved to your liking. With all ether, it is more guesswork.
Not extracting the pills worked (or still does) because when you STB the pills the gak is left behind with the water layer. That's is why it worked with the SnB one pot method insitu. Pretty genius really. Extracting is necessary if you plan to do a large cook. It may or may not be necessary with certain pills, I haven't figured it out completely. I always like to extract with methanol, myself.
Yeah, that lithium igniting in there isn't a good thing. It isn't the end of the world, but too much of that and we are just wasting our time with this, here. It is imperative that the lithium bronzes and doesn't oxidize otherwise we have nothing to reduce our suzy. It doesn't hurt to have a small excess in the case of ignition for example. If we had a stoichiometric amount, we would come up short after that ignition, of course.

This video is a good reference for the aspiring SnBer to see what is going on during this process and what to expect. For the experienced cooker, it is proof of how sloppy and without precision the cook can be and still succeed. I have had a catastrophic failure of my RV only one time. It is because I tried to use a bottlecap that I had previously used. I was playing with the RV and the fuel got into the threads of the cap. Combined with the building pressure, it loosened up and started leaking. When I noticed this, I immediately grabbed it and tried to get it outside. Before I could get outside the cap blew off. A loud boom! And a hot alkaline mash was sprayed all over my wall and ceiling. Thankfully, I had the foresight to have emergency measures in place. Something that could have otherwise been the end, just ended up being an inconvenience.
I cook in these bottles because I know that is the worst I will have to expect - the cap will blow off. I know I will be able to catch it long before anything else would ever happen. In the case of the re-used bottle cap. Learn from my mistake! It is one I will never make again.

That is really good to know about the CAN! I will have to test it out. This will be helpful for alot of our users that are unable to access the AN coldpacks. I have been thinking ammonium sulfate is probably the optimal salt, as it has much more ammonia per mole compared to AN. It is much more readily available also.