CBD Isolate to THC with muriatic acid (simple route)

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Here is a quick update on the status on the bigger cook, I still need to wash the resulting oil. Anyway:
38g of CBD isolate was dissolved into 700ml of %95 ethanol, Everclear brand grain alcohol.
%37 HCl solution was added until ~2 pH was reached on the color chart while the solution was slowly heated to ~70c in an oil bath.
Temperature of oil and reaction liquid were monitored with a thermometer. A piece of plastic was placed over the top of the jar to reduce ethanol evaporation.
The mixture was swirled back and forth periodically for a moment throughout the entire reaction of about 5 hours.
The mixture darkens quite a bit after a few hours, and even more so still to about 5 hours at 70c.
After 5 hours, the color of the reaction liquid has darkened significantly, the reaction was left to cool to room temperature and brine was added about 2 parts brine to 1 part reaction mixture and mixed.
After a moment of mixing the brine into the reaction liquid, the oil pushed out and accumulated at the top of the reaction liquid. It was collected with a syringe for further processing.
~55ml crude THC oil was collected. I will continue to update this experiment. I must still wash the collected crude THC oil, heat to 150c and deacidify/wash again.
 

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Additional advice. Before heating, you must measure pH. If it is acidic, you will harm.
 

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I didn't see this until just now. Had already brought it to 150c for a moment in the oven. Last I checked pH was before I pulled it off the heat at the end of 5 hours, so unfortunately, I will have to do better next time. This stuff is extremely tough to work with, it cooled into a puck in the bottom of my beaker. It got a bit lighter in color and more translucent, extremely stringy trying to seperate a dab to smoke, it takes away the craving but I'm not terribly satisfied. I've been trying to eat a good bit to catch a buzz but I don't notice much there either.
 

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Perhaps the conversion went further into less active substances. If some of the acid was in the remainder of the mixture. I think it is necessary to correct this moment for this synthesis or not to use additional heating without vacuum at low temperature. Your first successful experience without additional heating speaks of the same thing.
 

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Yeah, with the first 5g test run, I just pulled it off the hot plate at about 4-4.5 hours, brined it and tested it from there, besides it tasting like super glue it was rather psychoactive and delightful. On the 38g run, I lost about half the volume with a second brine wash and heating in the oven to 150c but it doesn't seem to have become any more potent. I know I am not going to get that sedating indica high from this THC that I am looking for, but I am hoping to get something a little more promising - although, this is still worth it I think compared to buying retail.
 

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wich Roa did you try , describe more the effect , is it smokable
 
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Scroll up, pleaese, my friend, and you will see.
It is smokable, it isn't horrible. It is active, it just kinda has funny after taste.. maybe like en elmers arts n crafts glue or something. :D I can pull a dab out, and it is very sticky and stringy like melted mozeralla cheese, put it in my oil burner and vape it. It isn't harsh or bad, almost no taste or smell, but a bit of thick white smoke. I don't know if I am extremely tolerant to cannabinoids or the quality is negligible, but it isn't the best. It is not quite shatter or something, but not simply CBD or D8 either. It is definitely doing something psychoactive, I can probably give it a THC test with a drug test cup from the pharmacy if anyone wants to see, ...I'm actually curious myself.
 

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I am also curious about thr test results, I ve seen a famous video on YT using Zeolite method, it was converted to 23% d9 18% d8 and 40% a mixture of alternative cannabinoids (CBN CBG CBC ...)
 

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OK, no problem. What do you suggest, I take a dab and dissolve it in some vodka and panel/cup test that way?

Yeah, I wish I had the equipment/tech to be able to analyze the alkaloid content. I was originally going to use the zeolite method with molecular sieves made of zeolite actually, I think with ethanol or HCl - or actually the real simple one where you cook zeolite/CBD isolate on low heat into a liquid for about 15-20 minutes.

This stuff isn't a total waste as it is right now, I am hoping it will get a little better. I'm thinking I ought to decarb again now that I have done a soda wash. Followed by a final brine wash and heating to remove any moisture and manipulate for storage. Wondering if maybe a fractional distillation could help?
 

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As for fresh experience, I can say that washing with a solution of soda is needed. But to rinse with a solution of soda, you cannot use pure oil. You need to get a solution that does not mix with water and does not respond to alkali. And rinse it until to pH ~ 6. But then you need to evaporate the solvent in the end.
 

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Zeolite will give dirty products. Need a short path distillation. Using ethanol and HCl acid, there are also problems precisely with the conversion time. It is better to use TLC in the process so that the conditions are ideal. Need to understand when CBD reacts completely and then dispose of the acid alkali for further steps.
 
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